and instead it seems like the way it's playing out is the original debt ceiling fight, we got a bunch of cuts with no revenue. now, in this one we got a bunch of revenue with no cuts. now we'll come into the third round. after a year and a half of negotiating we may have a grand bare gain, it's just not a grand bargain that they actually struck all at once at the same able to. >> rose: so where do they move to now. the debt ceiling extension is, what, a month or so off. david, help me on this. is that what they have to address first or is this something else that must be addressed before you get to the debt ceiling extension question? >> the debt ceiling is likely to come first. the funny thing is at this point to some extent there aren't any external deadlines they absolutely have to meet. these are all created by washington. historically the debt ceiling was not an occasion for a big policy change. it became one in 2011, the republicans successfully made that happen. but they could easily extend the debt kreiling the way washington has in the past. in some ways the bigger thing is t